General•The Honeymoon that Never Ends
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FreemanRAM - February 19
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"Love is never a relationship; love is relating. It is always a river, flowing, unending. Love knows no full stop; the honeymoon begins but never ends. It is not like a novel that starts at a certain point and ends at a certain point. It is an ongoing phenomenon. Lovers end, love continues– it is a continuum. It is a verb, not a noun. " ~ Osho
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Rob, I would love to know what your opinion is on monogamy.
At least in today's terms monogamy has become very contractual and filled with financial obligations or changes (i.e. combining bank accounts).
My question is how does unconditional Love exist in a relationship with another person when Love seems to be such a expansive unlimited force?
On some level doesn't just directing Love at one person have the risk of limiting the potential for Love?
In many cases (not necessarily yours) it seems that romantic Love becomes a blinding flash, a crutch, a block and hindrance to truly Loving oneself, humanity and world.
Again there are always exceptions but I do see many couples acting as one unit of consciousness instead of two independent consciousness who have chosen to commune together. You know?
I am genuinely curious about this... -
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FreemanRAM
- February 19
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Your question:
'My question is how does unconditional Love exist in a relationship with another person when Love seems to be such a expansive unlimited force?'
To answer this directly, unconditional love has no limits. Having a bond with a single person and choosing to travel on the path of monogamy does not necessarily limit ones ability or opportunities to share unconditional love with others.
To respond to one of your additional points, I think the very notion of 'romantic' love is not really love at all, but more of a cultural / social belief system. True love is unconditional. It can be felt when interacting with a person, an animal, a plant, or even a place. It is a feeling that one gives off and receives, not so much an idea. There are no limits to the amount of love that can be given, no detriment of the body or soul from broadcasting too much. On the contrary, it seems the reality is the more you give the healthier and happier you are.
I think the best analogy to a true loving relationship can be seen in the "Lover's Knot". Are you familiar with this? It is a sculpture which looks like two interlocking bands. Upon closer inspection, however, one sees that there is in fact only one continuous piece. The two remain individuals, yet come together as one.
There really are two major paths in love, the solitary path of aloneness (not to be confused with loneliness), and the path of unity with the other. Neither is better nor worse than the other, as both arrive at the same end, unconditional love. The problem most people have is when they switch back and forth between the two. These are parallel paths, however.
In choosing the path of unity, one uses the other as a mirror for spiritual growth. It is through the mirror of the other that one sees the true self, and arrives at the source of all life, love. -
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No I haven't heard about the "Lover's Knot" makes sense though.
Where did you theory about the two major paths to Love come from? Also, why do people have problems when they switch back and forth?
It just seems to me like things might be a bit less linear than that and more like a choose your own adventure novel.
Some people may have a more direct path while others might jump around quite a bit.
The reason I say this is because I could actually see myself cycling between the two simply because I like alone time but alone like the potential for unity.
I don't necessarily see them as mutually exclusive.
I will agree if you're saying that this switching stirs the pot more and at times can be more volatile simply because there are more energies being brought into the hologram.
Like you're saying seems like the only limits to Love come from what we can dream up. -
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FreemanRAM
- February 19
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All limitations are self imposed in my opinion. :-)
I believe the stream of consciousness regarding two paths in love comes from a talk from Osho.
I found this synopsis of one of his talks which speaks more to the topic:
"Osho has always spoken of two approaches to self-discovery: one in which the person learns about him or herself through relating to others, in which self-reflection and retreat. Everyone will tend to be naturally attracted to one path or the other -- the Path of Love, or the Path of Meditation -- but the two paths meet in the end, and grow towards one another along the way."
It is not so much that one cannot move between retreat and communion, as even those in deep relationships will find benefit to time to themselves. I think the main problem comes with those who retreat FROM communion when they find they are losing themselves (ego) in the process.
"WHEN you love, you have to become nobody. If you remain somebody, then love never happens. When you love a person - even for a single moment love happens and flows between two persons- There are two nothingness, not two persons. If you have ever had any experience of love, you can understand it." ~ Osho -
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wow. "WHEN you love, you have to become nobody."
This resonates and I can see how this is really something you have to feel to really understand.
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I like what you have to say...FreemanRAM
BUT...in the "today" world...I don't think it can ever happen :(
well maybe it can...I am not going to be cynical -
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FreemanRAM
- February 20
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It certainly can regardless of the state of things. It just takes two points of awareness to open to one another. As they say, love will find a way! :-)
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Amen :-)
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